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Ahnaf Ibn Qais's avatar

We can go a step further and say that what is upon us is not "Civilizational Collapse" per se, but rather the first time in Human History where the tier above "Civilization" (i.e. Ecumene) is at stake.

Even the Bronze Age Collapse will pale in comparison to what comes next. Behaviours and Tendencies taken for granted will be shifted (sort of akin to how rivers and water bodies shift after massive earthquakes). The "Human Being" as such will come to an End.

Meat consumption and Standard of Living are definitely linked; but after the coming Dark Age in the hellholes of CONUS, Europa, etc. they will be ripped apart; since the bulk of "New Meat Consumption" will be Human (especially those who escaped the initial Radiation poisoning).

If anything, it's good that the housekeepers, futurists and whatnot are Optimistic. They will be easy pickings for the New Predatory Species prowling through the Urban Wastes all decked out in pre-Apocalypse Gear. Bone Density, Blood Cell count, etc will all rapidly increase once the initial "humps" (i.e. Protein poisoning and whatnot) are breached. And so in a roundabout way:

The Steven Pinkers of the world (always putting out "success porn" out there on how great everything is Standard of Living wise) will end up becoming correct. It's just that it will happen to "Post-Humans" after some 2 billion are slaughtered, hundreds of millions more Devoured AND many hundred million more get their Nervous System Stapled and become Genetic Slaves.

The ones who remain (i.e. the Post-Human Predatory Species) will NO DOUBT have a Standard of Living far greater than anything we peons/proles possess today; but it will come at aforementioned costs. As always, nothing really comes free: The PRICE is paid upfront.

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William M Briggs's avatar

There is also Glubb's more amateur-based cycle, plus Parkinson's (of the Law's fame) modification of Aristotle.

Regardless of the mechanism or timing of the theory of collapse, all agree (usually tacitly) that even though many know a collapse is coming, nobody is able to stop it.

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