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Ahnaf Ibn Qais's avatar

Not bleak enough my friend! The White Powder needs to be PURER. Get a few more of them trees! Supply is too low; Demand is on the Up, Up and UP!

(In all seriousness)- Both of you are right; and the situation is thus MORE MISERABLE:

The two (i.e. "History" on the one hand and "Ideas" on the other), assuming they are distinct and separable to begin with (I think not, but that's a separate tangent for a different discussion) are basically Bidirectionally oriented toward each other whereby "A" causes "B" and vice versa.

The Neuroanthropologist Terence M.Deacon spoke at length about how one needs Bidirectional cause-effect chains to account for a lot of the 21st century's intractable issues when it comes to Cognitive Neuroscience. In "The Symbolic Species" he posits this relation holding between Language-Brain and in "Incomplete Nature" he posits it likewise holding between Matter-Mind.

Here's a piece by Venkat some years back that incorporates and builds upon a lot of Deacon and other related thinkers' ideas on the matter: https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/acs.langmuir.7b02166

It's in many ways a throwback to (what Jaspers and others would dub) the "Pre-Axial" understanding of the human being- not as something distinct and over and beyond the natural world; but throughly embedded in and emergent from it.

And so... how is it MORE BLEAK overall?

Put simply: If the relationship is Dyadic (i.e. Ideas-History emerge as a pair/dyad and are Bidirectionally oriented and looped to one another) then the Human Being is a purely Emergent, Naturalistic entity whose unravelling falls under the domain of Methodological Naturalism. Thus:

>> "My only earthly wish is... to stretch the deplorably narrow limits of man's dominion over the uiniverse to their promised bounds... [nature will be] bound into service, hounded in her wanderings and put on the rack and tortured for her secrets." <<

>> "I am come in very truth leading you to Nature with all her children to bind her to your service and make her your slave... the mechanical inventions of recent years do not merely exert a gentle guidance over Nature's courses, they have the power to conquer and subdue her, to shake her to her foundations." <<

.... aforementioned quotes are now Applicable in their entirety to the Human Being as well. And this process has already begun on multiple fronts!

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Fabius Minarchus's avatar

Man is a rationalizing animal.

Many ideas get picked up because they are handy to those already in power. For example, Keynesian economics provided a delightful excuse for big government types to increase the number of government programs. Supply side economics gave the Republicans an excuse to play Santa Claus on the tax side.

But there are other ideas which motivate people to take fresh actions. Marx's ideas motivated Lenin and company to put in some serious effort to make dystopia happen. And his ideas continue to compel. Likewise, the teaching of Jesus motivated many people to change their behaviors substantially.

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Ideas can be powerful, but they also need fertile ground in which to flourish. Sometimes the ground determines which ideas win.

Take postmodernism. Why did such ridiculous and useless ideas come to dominate universities?

My answer: credential inflation. You have to have a doctorate in order to teach in a modern university. To be a doctor is to have "advanced" the field. How do you advance the curation of your culture? Generally, you don't! But boy howdy you can advance the destruction (deconstruction) of your culture!

The same dynamic explains the vast quantity of garbage publications, dangerous mad science in the gene labs, modern classical "music", modern "art", etc.

To regain power on campus, we need to raise the status of the original purpose of universities: to pass along knowledge between generations. Curation of knowledge used to be the primary function of universities. Basic research was secondary or even suspect.

The universities were corrupted long before wokeness arrived.

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So yes, ideas matter. But you also need to be strategic in fostering ideas. Sometimes you need to *create* an environment for your ideas to flourish.

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