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Excellent article, thank you.
Just a couple observations. In the ancient mystical tradition the god above god has no name, simply a notation, such aether. To name someone or something is to attempt to contain them, and source cannot be contained.
The Eagle is the universal animal of the realized human spirit. Perhaps we can recall that Aga…
Excellent article, thank you.
Just a couple observations. In the ancient mystical tradition the god above god has no name, simply a notation, such aether. To name someone or something is to attempt to contain them, and source cannot be contained.
The Eagle is the universal animal of the realized human spirit. Perhaps we can recall that Agamemnon chose for his new incarnation to be an Eagle, and soar above the petty affairs of men.
Fire derives not from any abrahamic source, it is element that is highest of the true triad of elements, and is that by which all creation is fashioned. This realization is ancient.
The Ynges speak with voices of fire. From this, one can derive the term Angels, which developed at a later date.
In short, the worship is not in accordance with abrahamics, although master Dionysus did manage to place the practice within nascent Christianity until the onslaught of Aquinas.
It is important to understand the worship of the god most high is effectively a distilled praise from the mysticism which informs the praxis of religion.
Thanks! It seems you have studied these issues deeply. I am still exploring and learning.
I don't think it's an exaggeration to state that my studies have taken a lifetime and are ongoing.. The basis for this exploration is an attempt to make sense of my life. I write about some of this, on my little substack and elsewhere now and then.
I call what you are writing about here a thread from the western mystical tradition, because the themes and supports are consistent over a thousand years and more. This tradition isn't what we think of today, because it was driven underground by the murderous rise of the abrahamics.
For those who doubt this, I have but one question; what happened to the Cathars?
A major center for this tradition was ancient Alexandria.
There is not one simple source, some Bible where one can go to learn about the ancient mystical tradition, but it does live, as long as there is someone to walk this path. One scholar who does write some on this topic is Jeff Kupperman. He can be found under the heading of Theurgy. To my knowledge he is the only writer who dares to pick up the structure of Sunthema, the tokens that direct the ascent of the soul.
I see the religion of the god above god as a natural development from this ancient tradition. In every religion outside of the abrahamics, mysticism informs the praxis. It provides the realization and the intensity required for meaningful devotion.
I've read two of Jeff's books. He's very learned on these matters!
He used to edit an online journal that covered wide ranging topics including mysticism. His writers were erudite, and themselves deeply involved practitioners. He knows his stuff. Personally I'm glad he's still around.
> For those who doubt this, I have but one question; what happened to the Cathars?
Sadly, their intellectual descendants, currently called the "woke", are still with us.
Your arrogant provincialism is oozing out again, Eugine. Drawing spurious conclusions is apparently your specialty. Woke derives most directly from Marxism, which was in truth a rebuttal to the hypocrisy and meaninglessness of Christian society.
Oh and by the way, Marcion was not a proto-Gnostic, whatever that term is supposed to mean.
One could just as easily claim, and with far more accuracy, that Sol Invictus was proto-christianity, and Mithras as was the philosophical proto-jesus of the abrahamics.
> Woke derives most directly from Marxism, which was in truth a rebuttal to the hypocrisy and meaninglessness of Christian society.
"Marxism is not derived from my philosophy, BTW, this Marx guy also has a point."
> Oh and by the way, Marcion was not a proto-Gnostic
Right, that they both believed that the God of the old testament was an evil Demiurge that Jesus was sent to save us from is a complete coincidence.
> One could just as easily claim, and with far more accuracy, that Sol Invictus was proto-christianity, and Mithras as was the philosophical proto-jesus of the abrahamics.
Um, no. Complete ahistorical BS.
Um, yes. You as usual, don't know what you are talking about.
Fist of all, dude, Gnosticism isn't a series of beliefs codified by Philip k. Dick. Nobody sat down and created a Septuagint for Gnosis. Your proto-Gnostic term is both misleading and absurd. For the record, Gnosticism remains a significant development that directly participates in the logic, language, and mystical experience that forms the western mystical tradition. You obviously have no comprehension of this, no understanding of Emanation, and absolutely zero respect for those who do.
The Cathari were exterminated by this same, exact blockheaded ignorance that purports a series of irrational beliefs to be above any examination other than fawning obedience. If you want to celebrate this genocide as a highpoint of abrahamic culture, prepare, for you can offer no worthwhile argument to spare you and yours when the next group of murderous psychopaths paints a target on you.
Truth is, dude that the abrahamic complex can be quite easily explained throughout history, and traced through a series of societal and political developments. There is, for example, nothing in Christianity that is uniquely Christian, and that includes the self congradulatory praise the abrahamics heap upon themselves regarding monotheism..
Here, briefly, I will point out a small factoid for those who can't think beyond simple categories. Gnosticism is an essential aspect of the western mystical tradition.
So just for the record, are you for or against Gnosticism?
> The Ynges speak with voices of fire. From this, one can derive the term Angels, which developed at a later date.
No search engine appears to have heard of "Ynges". However, the word "Angels" derives from the Greek word ἄγγελος meaning messenger, used as a translation of the Hebrew mal'ach also meaning messenger.
You won't find Ynges in any dictionary. You also won't find a workable definition for most terms associated with Gnosticism, nor will you discover anything useful concerning any explanation for the Immovable Ones.. Deferring to Hebrew is a nice trick, but you won't learn anything from them.
So did you make all this stuff up, or did you get it from someone else who probably made it all up?