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Fabius Minarchus's avatar

Using the 14th Amendment to extend the complete Bill of Rights to the states is a contradiction. The 9th and 10th amendments were put in to answer Alexander Hamilton's objections to a federal bill of rights. And several of the states which ratified the Bill of Rights had established churches still. That's why many of the articles specify "Congress shall make no law..."

The Second Amendment does not limit itself to Congress. It applied to the states from the beginning.

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Here's a question for you, Mr. Harvard Law: what are "suits at common law"? I'm referring to the 7th Amendment. If that means what we mean by civil law, shouldn't the 7th Amendment require a trial by jury for civil asset forfeiture cases over 20 dollars? OK, maybe we adjust for inflation and apply it to anything over a troy ounce of gold's worth.

Once upon a time, I had the opportunity to grill a federal judge who was running for Congress on the subject of civil asset forfeiture. His answer was incredibly lame: "That's for common law." If "common law" isn't civil law, what is it?

What do the better law schools teach on this subject?

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Ahnaf Ibn Qais's avatar

At this point in time, Legal precedent matters little given the scale and scope of how far things have progressed. In particular, As the war drums beat ever so louder, a lot of this stuff becomes 'amusing banter that people only can indulge in during peacetime'.

Enumerated "rights" will cease to exist entirely. In Wartime, and more specifically Wartime of the Existential sort... all that will remain will be "Duty/Obligations". In particular, only One's Responsibility to Assist the State in continuing to Survive... that will be the last "Value" remaining.

The US has never experienced such a thing. The wider society (or whatever semblance of it remains) will flee, 'stutter', etc. rather than respond in any manner that is cogent. That includes the BlackRobes. No amount of "Service to the Law" can dampen one's own fears of mortality, the Agonizing Pain of an irradiated Death AND the ensuing Vile post-human struggle.

If you want to BREAK someone; tie them up somewhere and make them watch their children, wives, etc fight each other for food and commit all manner of horror (Rape, Murder, Cannibalism, Necrophilia, etc.) whilst one remains powerless to intervene. Afterward, untie him and he will end himself with his own two hands rather than continue aforementioned miserable existence.

At the micro level, you BREAK people that way. Scaling up, at the macro level what you do is render the "State" impotent and make it WATCH its citizenry defile, vanquish, etc each other. Notwithstanding its own amoral nature; the "State" and its organs (after being restored some limited potency) would likewise "end itself" to spare it from that Vile hellhole of Hobbesian struggle.

The Obligation to the State (and its continued existence) is only as good as the overall social cohesion that the citizenry starts off with. America has no such cohesion left; and it citizenry will tear each other apart limb by limb if given the chance.

After that has happened, the "Law" will only ever be spoken of fondly as a product of a bygone era, in which people had the luxury to sit down and even contemplate the "Good Life" as such. No such luxuries will remain however in post-Mushroom Cloud "Humanity" (if we can even call them that).

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