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Ahnaf Ibn Qais's avatar

While it is certainly true that the Saudis have decided to pivot to Eurasia; it is highly unlikely that them "formalizing" said pivot (and inking the deal with the Chinese) will do much.

Recall that as of typing this up, the Saudis already export more than double to China what they do with the US (I believe the number is about daily half a million barrels to the latter and over a million daily to the former); so it would just be a formalizing of "the rift" that has already been developing these past few decades or so. The USD Milkshake will shake this off most likely.

Since unlike the 70s when the Saudis played a leadership role amongst the Muslim nations... nowadays they are viewed by the grassroots as pariahs (the brutal invasion of Yemen has helped cement these feelings). As such, bedding the Chinese will not prompt the OPEC nations to dive into the petroyuan or "rublegas" en masse (akin to how they did so into the USD back in the 70s.)

The Americans produce about two-thirds of their daily needs (i.e. around 20 billion barrels). Of the 6-8 billon shortfall, some 4 billion daily is imported from the Canadians and the rest made up via imports from OPEC+ and others. The "Conquest of America" can never become a reality thus without large scale sabotage, EMP attacks, etc to "open up the gates" from within the Fortress of CONUS.

As such I see the "Petrodollar" surviving (and it likely will continue to do so for a while longer) precisely because the "Multipolar world" that the Eurasianists are selling... is stillborn. Namely, the nations of the world recognize the coming age of Great Power conflict, and are not under the impression that siding with Eurasia would somehow imply a "peaceful way" out of that.

More likely what will happen in 2023 is that the Eurasian bloc (be it BRICS+, The Eurasian Economic Union, etc.) will swell in membership (formal and informal) and the position of "Fortress CONUS" will decline further. Sabotage on the power grid (already a common occurrence on both coasts) will rapidly increase as the Eurasians probe evermore for "weak links" to exploit.

Meanwhile, The Ukraine will be partitioned and the Russians will move heavy equipment to the new "NATO border" (i.e. with Ukraine AND Finland), whilst also dialing up the pain (more restrictions of gas and oil exports to the West, greater export volumes eastward, etc.). Poland, Hungary, etc. will "bite off" chunks from the rump Banderistan and that will end any illusions of "European Unity".

The Chinese will activate their sleepers in Mexico and Central America and did what the British did in the early 1800s: Dump Cheap Drugs everywhere and decimate the family unit in CONUS and "create demand" such that cashflow out of CONUS accelerates evermore (along with labor outflows as well). Taiwan at this point will be "peacefully" reunited via a Diplomatic Play.

The Taiwanese will likely not fight back (due to sabotage, propaganda, sleepers being activated, etc.) It would be similar to the "Little Green Men" incident of 2014 whereby Crimea was annexed (i.e. rapid deployment of special ops and sleepers) except on a larger scale. This will end the Unipolar moment with a mundane finality. The move then (i.e. from early 2024 and beyond) is straightforward:

Turn America into a scapegoat. European Unity, now dead from the Polish and Hungarian incidents... would implode, and NATO + The EU would be tossed into the dustbin of history. The "Values"-nation that is the US would at this point be made into a pariah and play the role of a future Homo Sacer.

It will likely be some false flag akin to the Marco Polo Bridge incident... but most likely some event of said calibre would be "invented" by the Eurasians to justify an International "UN-army" (basically a Eurasian coalition) intervening in CONUS to "restore the peace".

This would be the outbreak of hostilities... and every sleeper, traitor, etc. would now come into full bloom. It will take a while (a decade or even a decade and a half) to pacify the Yankee, but it will be done. And once the Salting is completed, the women and children violated and drugged into genetic slavery and whatnot; then comes the final pursuit: rewriting the History Book.

For the Eurasian coalition will not stop until ever mention of "The United States of America" ever made from henceforth, is done so via spitting and cursing their name (moreso than Nazi Germany and other past losers) and so that said name is never again uttered in certain circles (i.e. such as "education"/indoctrination circles of the Next Generation of workers drones).

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Fabius Minarchus's avatar

A grim prediction, and likely correct.

But precisely how grim is it?

Whether or not the Saudis accept yuan or not, they have a military based on US arms, and as we are learning in Ukraine, US arms are pretty kick ass. (And this holds even if we discount the Pollyanna projections of the US media and we accept most of the Putin cheerleaders. The objective fact is that Ukraine has held back a Russian invasion using US weaponry despite no long term training in such, and despite not getting our best stuff.)

If they drop the petrodollar arrangement, the Saudis would indeed invest less in US financial instruments. But they would still like dollars to buy our weapons, which are not only potent, but that's what they have. It took Iran a LONG time to wean itself from US weapons parts dependency.

But is investing in China really that good a deal? Our gerontocracy favors investors over workers and consumers. This makes the US a good place to park your cash. We are Switzerland with nukes.

And how much of our trade deficit is real? Our tariff rates are far lower than our combination of income and payroll taxes. For example, Apple pays royalties to a bunch of sheep in a minor British Isle for intellectual property developed in California.

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Should your prediction become correct I fear:

1. Even more foreign buying up of US real estate and once great corporations.

2. A price surge on the cheap Chinese stuff I buy on Amazon.

If I had money to invest, I'd stockpile Chinese made merch, not gold. This is a variant of John Pugsly's "Alpha Strategy" from back in the day.

I don't fear a long term surge in energy prices. We are one election away from regaining energy independence. (And let us keep in mind, that Peace through Dirty Energy was Jimmy Carter's policy.) We do not need Saudi Arabia for energy. We need Saudi Arabia to help finance our defense industry.

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