I am confused. Why is foreseeing the doom of the Whig-Atlantean Imperium cause for anything but hope? What keeps me awake is not the prospect of a return to barbarism (that we should be so blessed!) but that the Empire of Lies shambles through the crisis more or less essentially intact. If we go back to looking at our Spengler, Roman sty…
I am confused. Why is foreseeing the doom of the Whig-Atlantean Imperium cause for anything but hope?
What keeps me awake is not the prospect of a return to barbarism (that we should be so blessed!) but that the Empire of Lies shambles through the crisis more or less essentially intact. If we go back to looking at our Spengler, Roman style collapses are quite rare, in fact even Rome's case, only the Western half collapses in the way we think of the word 'collapse'. The Eastern half reforms and zombies on. Egypt, China, and India have each unified and 'collapsed' but not very hard into factions, and then re-unified multiple times over their long histories. Even if Atlantis 'falls' there is little guarantee that her successors won't be themselves Inhuman Whigs ruling us with chains of debt and finance and poison.
Short reply: the fall of any unipolar order (however demonic, evil, etc) has always (and the history books testify to this) brought about unbridled chaos.
More details: the fall of the Dajjalic West will usher in a Hobbesian posthuman epoch most likely (given the fact that any limited use of nukes will destroy world agriculture and food reserves intractably). And even if we somehow miraculously avoid nuclear war:
The future will be one where nerve stapled genetic slaves, cannibalism and necrophilia would still be common; since the collapse and devouring of the West (boxer rebellion style ) by the rest of the world will usher in an “all against all” fight for hegemony.
There is no such thing as a “multipolar “ world. That is a romantic farce. What actually exists (when we stop using euphemisms) is Great Power conflict (with nukes of course ) That is the future state of affairs.
Yes, but once the nukes are used up we will lack the resources, both in industry and brainpower to make more (dirty little secret, we've lost and had to reverse engineer the techniques for making the aerogels used in fusion physics packages once already). We will need a long medieval climb back up the eugenic ladder to recover our quality in breed.
Speaking in terms of realist diplomacy and statecraft, a concert of great powers is of course possible, and has in fact happened before, but this requires each of the great powers to be willing to refrain from pretensions to the ecumenical imperial throne. What this means in practice is that any particular concert has a lifespan, just as does any civilisation or nation.
Oh of course. And we will make up for said loss of technological prowess with increases in overall intensity in behaviour; especially when it comes to inflicting crimes.
You would be surprised how hard people can pull with their bare hands and fingernails (cracking them both) when they are starving. Brutally Quartering a grown man (alive and struggling of course) into multiple pieces with the fluids all still fresh is not only in the table, but will become a rite of passage soon given How quickly things are progressing.
If the hunger pangs are strong enough; breaking bones in your arms to rip apart someone’s thigh.. is child’s play!
The dying time will rather quickly give way to a new normal at lower population densities, those that survive will marvel at the beauty that arises from the deathlands.
There will be a beauty to the butchery; be it the children mauled and then hoisted up on pikes and then the meat being stored up or something else. Kind of akin to the “old world” (i.e the one we live in) where the nordics store all that fish and preserve it the way they do.
Life certainly “finds a way”. Especially the sort of way that breaks people in mind, body and soul.
I get the dour doomspeaker larp, but it does get old. Anthropophagy will of course happen in extremis, but it doesn't make practical domestic-economy sense to raise humans as meat-stock, not unless all other possible herd animals are extinct. Nuclear war isn't actually that destructive, nuclear winter is just as much a scientific lie as global warming.
All of this has happened before and will happen again.
Oh it certainly does get old. But what I have gleaned in the last few years or so is that the human being is not primarily driven by concerns of economy and simplicity.
Often, institutions, habits and tendencies develop in spite of those considerations saying otherwise. Ergo, the entry of aforementioned doomporn (and we can focus on other varieties in the coming hellscape) onto the scene.
Think about it this way (and I will shift to a slightly more serious tone):
The concept of man and woman… something so fundamental to the human being that you can find little to no economic, social, biological, etc “precedent” to say “this has promise and longevity into the distant future”
…. Such a farce is now pursued by nations amounting to nearly 1 billion people on the planet.
Why on earth then would you think and postulate that something fundamental like (say) “don’t maul and feast on fried kiddie parts!” Is somehow more safe from demolition than the former?
Outbreaks of naked diabolism will certainly happen. But any people who give themselves over to those demons will be destroyed thereby. Eventually another people will give such demonic hosts the same treatment Rome gave Carthage.
There will be an Eclipse, but the Sun will rise again.
You're kidding right? Both of your examples are the poisonous fruit of the tree named Atlantis. This are the gifts of the 'civilisation' of the temple-bankers and zigguraut builders, of Baal and Ashtoreth.
So called 'barbarism' is merely the political-economy of the manor, the palace, of hearth and home, of reality, real production of real goods and tribal kith and kin and the pledge of troth and oath. So called 'civilisation' is nothing other Sodom and Gamorah. It was Cain who builded the first city.
You really have no idea how the world works do you? You see and suffer from civilization breaking down and reason that if civilization didn't exist, you wouldn't have to deal with it's break down.
The tendency to romanticize barbarianism is one of the hallmarks of a decadent civilization. People who regularly interact with barbarians never romanticize them.
Jewish messianism has been spreading its poisonous message among us for nearly two thousand years. Democratic and communist universalisms are more recent, but they have only come to reinforce the old Jewish narrative. These are the same ideals.
The transnational, transracial, transsexual, transcultural ideals that these ideologies preach to us (beyond race, people, culture) and that are the daily sustenance of our schools, in the media, in our pop-culture, at our universities, and on our streets have our biosymbolic identity and our ethnic pride reduced to their minimal expression.
I am confused. Why is foreseeing the doom of the Whig-Atlantean Imperium cause for anything but hope?
What keeps me awake is not the prospect of a return to barbarism (that we should be so blessed!) but that the Empire of Lies shambles through the crisis more or less essentially intact. If we go back to looking at our Spengler, Roman style collapses are quite rare, in fact even Rome's case, only the Western half collapses in the way we think of the word 'collapse'. The Eastern half reforms and zombies on. Egypt, China, and India have each unified and 'collapsed' but not very hard into factions, and then re-unified multiple times over their long histories. Even if Atlantis 'falls' there is little guarantee that her successors won't be themselves Inhuman Whigs ruling us with chains of debt and finance and poison.
Short reply: the fall of any unipolar order (however demonic, evil, etc) has always (and the history books testify to this) brought about unbridled chaos.
More details: the fall of the Dajjalic West will usher in a Hobbesian posthuman epoch most likely (given the fact that any limited use of nukes will destroy world agriculture and food reserves intractably). And even if we somehow miraculously avoid nuclear war:
The future will be one where nerve stapled genetic slaves, cannibalism and necrophilia would still be common; since the collapse and devouring of the West (boxer rebellion style ) by the rest of the world will usher in an “all against all” fight for hegemony.
There is no such thing as a “multipolar “ world. That is a romantic farce. What actually exists (when we stop using euphemisms) is Great Power conflict (with nukes of course ) That is the future state of affairs.
Yes, but once the nukes are used up we will lack the resources, both in industry and brainpower to make more (dirty little secret, we've lost and had to reverse engineer the techniques for making the aerogels used in fusion physics packages once already). We will need a long medieval climb back up the eugenic ladder to recover our quality in breed.
Speaking in terms of realist diplomacy and statecraft, a concert of great powers is of course possible, and has in fact happened before, but this requires each of the great powers to be willing to refrain from pretensions to the ecumenical imperial throne. What this means in practice is that any particular concert has a lifespan, just as does any civilisation or nation.
Oh of course. And we will make up for said loss of technological prowess with increases in overall intensity in behaviour; especially when it comes to inflicting crimes.
You would be surprised how hard people can pull with their bare hands and fingernails (cracking them both) when they are starving. Brutally Quartering a grown man (alive and struggling of course) into multiple pieces with the fluids all still fresh is not only in the table, but will become a rite of passage soon given How quickly things are progressing.
If the hunger pangs are strong enough; breaking bones in your arms to rip apart someone’s thigh.. is child’s play!
The dying time will rather quickly give way to a new normal at lower population densities, those that survive will marvel at the beauty that arises from the deathlands.
Life finds a way.
Oh I agree.
There will be a beauty to the butchery; be it the children mauled and then hoisted up on pikes and then the meat being stored up or something else. Kind of akin to the “old world” (i.e the one we live in) where the nordics store all that fish and preserve it the way they do.
Life certainly “finds a way”. Especially the sort of way that breaks people in mind, body and soul.
I get the dour doomspeaker larp, but it does get old. Anthropophagy will of course happen in extremis, but it doesn't make practical domestic-economy sense to raise humans as meat-stock, not unless all other possible herd animals are extinct. Nuclear war isn't actually that destructive, nuclear winter is just as much a scientific lie as global warming.
All of this has happened before and will happen again.
It’s doomporn; the level above doomspeech.
Oh it certainly does get old. But what I have gleaned in the last few years or so is that the human being is not primarily driven by concerns of economy and simplicity.
Often, institutions, habits and tendencies develop in spite of those considerations saying otherwise. Ergo, the entry of aforementioned doomporn (and we can focus on other varieties in the coming hellscape) onto the scene.
LOL, I'll start calling you Violence Jack from now on.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YzXLo6dtvc
Think about it this way (and I will shift to a slightly more serious tone):
The concept of man and woman… something so fundamental to the human being that you can find little to no economic, social, biological, etc “precedent” to say “this has promise and longevity into the distant future”
…. Such a farce is now pursued by nations amounting to nearly 1 billion people on the planet.
Why on earth then would you think and postulate that something fundamental like (say) “don’t maul and feast on fried kiddie parts!” Is somehow more safe from demolition than the former?
Outbreaks of naked diabolism will certainly happen. But any people who give themselves over to those demons will be destroyed thereby. Eventually another people will give such demonic hosts the same treatment Rome gave Carthage.
There will be an Eclipse, but the Sun will rise again.
> What keeps me awake is not the prospect of a return to barbarism
If we witnessed an actual return to barbarism, you would be begging God for forgiveness for writing that.
If you want a preview of what barbarism would look like, visit downtown SF or the Cartel controlled parts of Mexico.
You're kidding right? Both of your examples are the poisonous fruit of the tree named Atlantis. This are the gifts of the 'civilisation' of the temple-bankers and zigguraut builders, of Baal and Ashtoreth.
So called 'barbarism' is merely the political-economy of the manor, the palace, of hearth and home, of reality, real production of real goods and tribal kith and kin and the pledge of troth and oath. So called 'civilisation' is nothing other Sodom and Gamorah. It was Cain who builded the first city.
You really have no idea how the world works do you? You see and suffer from civilization breaking down and reason that if civilization didn't exist, you wouldn't have to deal with it's break down.
The tendency to romanticize barbarianism is one of the hallmarks of a decadent civilization. People who regularly interact with barbarians never romanticize them.
Oh bullshit.
Go sell worshipping weakness to someone else.
Jewish messianism has been spreading its poisonous message among us for nearly two thousand years. Democratic and communist universalisms are more recent, but they have only come to reinforce the old Jewish narrative. These are the same ideals.
The transnational, transracial, transsexual, transcultural ideals that these ideologies preach to us (beyond race, people, culture) and that are the daily sustenance of our schools, in the media, in our pop-culture, at our universities, and on our streets have our biosymbolic identity and our ethnic pride reduced to their minimal expression.
Begone Nietzschean nihilist.